I'm really not being lazy but a lot of good songs were mentioned here.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/entertainment/146720/1/Great-Canadian-music
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What's your favorite Canadian band?
by lepermessiah insince we have a lot of canadian friends on this board, i have to ask - who are your favorite canadian bands?.
mine is rush.
they have been one of my favorite bands ever since i can remember.. they totally rule........the music and lyrics are all top notch.. the other one is the tea party - jeff martin is a genius.
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Names of Your G-Grandmothers
by snowbird intwo of mine are named tina.. i don't know the names of the others.. do you know yours?.
syl.
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Aaltje, Dorothea and Frouwtje. Don't know my one grandmother's mothers name.
I couldn't possibly be traced as these names were very common in the 1800's. Why would anyone take the trouble anyway? Now if I added dates of birth it would be a different story.
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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jgnat: I take issue with some of the things you stated but do agree with the last one. I went to the Memorial to see personally what it was like. I go to a Pentecostal church and found the Memorial depressingly sterile as you said. It seemed that no one wanted to be there. It was the total opposite of our Good Friday and Sunday service where there was a lot of joy. Everyone is happy to see each other, hugging and conversing. I didn’t see that in the Kindom Hall. But that’s not to say that it doesn’t happen elsewhere.
I, like many people, don’t see the witnesses as the enemy. We do feel they are deceived but care about them. I have never said that a witness is condemned for their belief. I am not the judge of any man. But I was condemned by a witness. Only God can judge an individuals heart.
I don’t go to the Kingdom Hall because I don’t believe in their theology. Why would I go? I have no problem going to different denominations. I go to one church but another (different denomination) is like a second home to me. It is the witnesses themselves who keep their distance from us, I believe, and not the other way around.
I think many people have a false impresssion of the Pentecostal church. I can only speak of my church but it’s not some wacky church where people swing from the chandeliers. I go to this church in large part because they reach out to the community in a major way. We do feed the poor and do not consider it inferior. I see the same in other churches.
All churches have their zealots who try to force people to convert. We have some in our church. We can’t convert anyone. Only the Holy Spirit can convict us. All we can do is say what Christ has done for us. And we can all be there for each other, inside and outside of the church.
My mom, who was a witness for 37 years, comes to church with us every Sunday and loves it.
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Osama was evil but I was personally disgusted that people were celebrating in the streets. I agree with ohiocowboy, that the lighting of candles in memory of those lost during 9/11 would have been more appropriate.
I just see more violence in the near future.
http://thegrowingarts.com/misc-growth/23821-martin-luther-king-jr-quote-on-celebrating-death.html
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." — Martin Luther King Jr
Apparently he didn't actually say that first part but it sure sounded good.
There seems to be quite a bit confusion about what Martin Lurther King actually said, here's the full quote in it's entirety, from A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Are we seeking power for power's sake? Or are we seeking to make the world and our nation better places to live. If we seek the latter, violence can never provide the answer. The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
LOVE is the key! Only LOVE.
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Introducing Myself
by StandFirm inhello to jwn!
this is standfirm.
i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.
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First, welcome to the forum StandFirm.
What ONE subject would you most want to debate with a JW defender?
How about Mediator? Or can you show us where in the Bible it mentions two hopes? (One for the Great Crowd, one for the 144,000)
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Amazing Grace/how sweet the sound-some of my favourite gospel/worship music
by Guest with Questions inthis song has always been one of my favourites.
wintley phipps tells the history of the song.
very moving.. amazing grace: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmf_24cqqt0&mode=related&search=.
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Beautiful rendition of How Great Thou Art. Happy Easter everyone.
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Couple of questions for the Christians here - CO's talk mentioned some things that I want to understand
by Doubting Bro inthis is a question for all the christians on the board.
i sat through the first co talk last night which was basically a plea to not give up preaching.
one of his main points was that no one else had "the truth" and every other person that claims to be christian is in error.
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bookmarked to read later
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I could use some help arming myself.
by WontLeave ini know there is going to be a backlash to skipping the memorial and i want to be ready.
i actually drove by the kingdom hall last evening, just so i could say i came on passover and nobody was there.
this will initiate a watchtower worship session where they drag out all of their "scholarly" research.
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I agree with jgnat. These people are not the enemy, the Gov Body is. They only way you are going to reach anyone is with kindness and respect. Ask questions.
If someone started a verbal attack at my church most people would walk away thinking something was wrong with that person. I'm sure one of the pastors would come to him but if the attack continued he would be escorted out. If someone asked valid questions people would respond.
Personally I would check into it to find out if what the person said had some merit. But it's the wrong approach.
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As The Governing Body Tightens its Grip...
by passwordprotected intwo and a half years ago i predicted that the governing body was going to have to tighten its grip on the rank and file witnesses.. "it's time to get in the compound, brothers and sisters...." it's classic sleight of hand.
distract your audience.
pull off the trick.
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Mad Sweeny: I've been mulling over this for some time. The Memorial invitation stated:
Jesus takes away the sins of the world
how does he do it? Why is this necessary? How can you benefit?
The only possible explanation, as I see it, and the average witnesses not realizing it, the above comments in the invitation don't apply to them. If they aren't in the New Covenant, Jesus is not the Mediator, then you're not forgiven of your sins. I did read in the Watchtower CD that the Great Crowd had to work at their salvation, even during the 1,000 years.
Why would God only make a New Covenant of Grace with 144,000 people? He didn't. The other sheep, I told this elder, were us. the Gentiles. We are now included, both Jew & Gentiles, into the same Covenant.
I realize that Watchtower beliefs make absolutely no sense and the average witness has no idea they are on the outside looking in, just like the Gentiles before the New Covenant. They truly are brainwashed, unable to think rationally for themselves. I always got so frustrated. Don't they read their bible?
No wonder they have no joy. Christ has done nothing for them. They are totally on their own. The Memorial is such a farce. People getting together to reject Christ. In their minds they must think He has rejected them, without fully realizing it. How special they must feel.
I'm going to the Special Bible talk in May and may be bold enough to ask some more questions, at a different hall of course.
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As The Governing Body Tightens its Grip...
by passwordprotected intwo and a half years ago i predicted that the governing body was going to have to tighten its grip on the rank and file witnesses.. "it's time to get in the compound, brothers and sisters...." it's classic sleight of hand.
distract your audience.
pull off the trick.
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Totally ADD: When they have study articles in the WT that warns everybody not to trust anybody if they say something that sounds off beat to what they think the WT teaches
First off, I've never been a witness. I wonder about the above quote though. Does the average witness really know current Watchtower beliefs? or just the stuff they have recently been studying? I know with all the changes I couldn't possibly keep track.
I ask this because I was talking to the head elder that did the majority of the Memorial talk. We talked to him afterwards and I wasn't sure what he truly believed. Do they withold information from outsiders and say what outsiders want to hear?
During the talk he mentioned works a lot. When I spoke to him I said we do works because we are saved; that we don't do works to be saved, which would be very selfish, then again said we do works because we are saved. He agreed with me. My friend, a former witness, said that the man was clearly uncomfortable. I thought I had blown it but she said I did give him food for thought.
We looked like witnesses, we blended in. No one love-bombed us. Apart from the elder, only one lady introduced herself, asking how I enjoyed the Memorial. I couldn't lie so said it was alright.
The way I, sadly, saw these witnesses, were people without joy. No one looked enthused to be there. The singing was autrocious. I wonder if the average witness really understands what they believe. I really don't think so. The elder didn't even come across knowing for sure what he believed.